Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/ Accessibility news: WCAG, WAI, PAS 78 ... and all manner of other weird acronyms and stuff Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:14:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4685 Kelvin Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:16:31 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-4685 I posted my thoughts on this subject here: http://kelv.in/side/accessibility-and-usability/ I posted my thoughts on this subject here:

http://kelv.in/side/accessibility-and-usability/

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3932 Isofarro Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:38:06 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3932 Patrick, yep you've gotten right to the crux of the problem. Thanks, your explanation is far more lucid! (Thanks for the link to the Tangram model. Interesting) Mike Patrick, yep you’ve gotten right to the crux of the problem. Thanks, your explanation is far more lucid! (Thanks for the link to the Tangram model. Interesting)

Mike

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3920 Mike Cherim Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:18:04 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3920 And I simply must add <a href="http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=170" rel="nofollow">my two cents</a>. And I simply must add my two cents.

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3918 Beast-Blog.com - Failed? Fundamentally Flawed? Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:46:17 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3918 [...] In a news item that I first saw at Accessify.com there is a quote taken from the original “BarCamp London 2: Accessibility Panel Thoughts” post at Mike Davies’ Isolani site. It’s a quote I don’t necessarily agree with. Before I provide it here I want to say I’m not trying to stir anything up or cause trouble, and I’m not commenting on the rest of the article (which, aside from the alleged damage caused by “universalists,” I mostly agree with), but I do want to say remarks like this bother me a bit. First I’ll provide the quotation, then I’ll explain what it is I don’t agree with and why. GAWDS has failed. Accessifyforum has failed. Accessites is fundamentally flawed. — Mike Davies [...] [...] In a news item that I first saw at Accessify.com there is a quote taken from the original “BarCamp London 2: Accessibility Panel Thoughts” post at Mike Davies’ Isolani site. It’s a quote I don’t necessarily agree with. Before I provide it here I want to say I’m not trying to stir anything up or cause trouble, and I’m not commenting on the rest of the article (which, aside from the alleged damage caused by “universalists,” I mostly agree with), but I do want to say remarks like this bother me a bit. First I’ll provide the quotation, then I’ll explain what it is I don’t agree with and why. GAWDS has failed. Accessifyforum has failed. Accessites is fundamentally flawed. — Mike Davies [...]

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3909 Patrick H. Lauke Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:20:45 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3909 as a forum to discuss (mainly) html/css, accessifyforum has certainly been valuable . however, it has not grown into a place where accessibility is discussed, regardless of technology...a place where dialog is fostered among the many different stakeholders (content developers, user agent developers, users with disabilities) and where solutions are explored that go beyond html/css/flash/etc, beyond WCAG 1.0 or even WCAG 2.0. this makes me think of the ideas behind the tangram model http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/qa-focus/documents/briefings/briefing-101/html/ we need to move beyond WCAG and beyond the ideal of "universal accessibility" - laudable in principle, but a pipe dream (until we get some hardcore solutions like servers with content stored in all sorts of formats and CC/PP negotiation between browser and server). i'm not talking ghetto-isation, or the old "text only version for blind users" misconceptions...but an aknowledgment that, in certain situations, it's just not possible to provide one solution that works equally well for all audiences, even with adaptation. anyway, that's what i *think* mike is getting at :) as a forum to discuss (mainly) html/css, accessifyforum has certainly been valuable . however, it has not grown into a place where accessibility is discussed, regardless of technology…a place where dialog is fostered among the many different stakeholders (content developers, user agent developers, users with disabilities) and where solutions are explored that go beyond html/css/flash/etc, beyond WCAG 1.0 or even WCAG 2.0. this makes me think of the ideas behind the tangram model http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/qa-focus/documents/briefings/briefing-101/html/
we need to move beyond WCAG and beyond the ideal of “universal accessibility” – laudable in principle, but a pipe dream (until we get some hardcore solutions like servers with content stored in all sorts of formats and CC/PP negotiation between browser and server). i’m not talking ghetto-isation, or the old “text only version for blind users” misconceptions…but an aknowledgment that, in certain situations, it’s just not possible to provide one solution that works equally well for all audiences, even with adaptation.

anyway, that’s what i *think* mike is getting at :)

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3907 Ian Lloyd Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:07:56 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3907 Accessifyforum has failed? First I knew of it. For those who don't know, I don't run/own accessifyforum - I basically let Nigel Peck partner the site with accessify.com, and to be honest, it's massively more active than this site - they server very different purposes. But to say it's failed, well ... like the previous commenter said, how can it fail if it didn't have a mission? As I see it, it has enabled *many* people to engage in some really useful conversation, and I'm sure that the end result of that is a whole lot more people creating more accessible sites through their learning. How is that a bad thing? Accessifyforum has failed? First I knew of it.

For those who don’t know, I don’t run/own accessifyforum – I basically let Nigel Peck partner the site with accessify.com, and to be honest, it’s massively more active than this site – they server very different purposes. But to say it’s failed, well … like the previous commenter said, how can it fail if it didn’t have a mission?

As I see it, it has enabled *many* people to engage in some really useful conversation, and I’m sure that the end result of that is a whole lot more people creating more accessible sites through their learning. How is that a bad thing?

]]> Acheter En Ligne Cialis - Discount Online Pharmacy http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3869 Robin Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:44:16 +0000 http://accessify.com/news/2007/02/mike-davies-thoughts-on-the-state-of-accessibility-barcamp-london-2/#comment-3869 I'm interested in what Accessifyforum's original "mission" was. Surely it can't have failed unless it's not lived up to an original manifesto. I’m interested in what Accessifyforum’s original “mission” was. Surely it can’t have failed unless it’s not lived up to an original manifesto.

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