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		<title>By: Billigflug Denpasar</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-72840</link>
		<dc:creator>Billigflug Denpasar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my eyes it is sad but true. Companies only think economically and when the price for beeing guilty is less then the price to upgrade for accessibility for disabled persons than they will decide for the first solution. Of course they have to add the strategic price component of image lost to the calculus. On the other hand imagine you try to run a business and your start up is bashed just because a group, let´s call them DDA, pulls you at court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my eyes it is sad but true. Companies only think economically and when the price for beeing guilty is less then the price to upgrade for accessibility for disabled persons than they will decide for the first solution. Of course they have to add the strategic price component of image lost to the calculus. On the other hand imagine you try to run a business and your start up is bashed just because a group, let´s call them DDA, pulls you at court.</p>
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		<title>By: RMM accessible web</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-62419</link>
		<dc:creator>RMM accessible web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real underlying problem is a lack of motivation to do anything about accessibility. Even with the requirements of the DDA and more recently the Disability Equality Duty (which applies to UK public bodies) there is still barely even lip service paid to accessibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real underlying problem is a lack of motivation to do anything about accessibility. Even with the requirements of the DDA and more recently the Disability Equality Duty (which applies to UK public bodies) there is still barely even lip service paid to accessibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Gurukarm Khalsa</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-26203</link>
		<dc:creator>Gurukarm Khalsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel compelled to respond to comment #8, although no expert: it&#039;s really rather specious to say &quot;just go somewhere else&quot; - what if you sell the ONE thing the customer is looking for, and no other store does? What if Target has exactly the brand, or line, or model of an item someone needs, and anywhere else it&#039;s half again as expensive? Too bad for you, blind customer?

Bad attitude, Mr. Eftimie. Even in spite of your &quot;pro accessibility&quot; disclaimer. I hope you DON&#039;T have a store. Or, if you do, please tell us where it is, so we can be sure NOT to shop there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel compelled to respond to comment #8, although no expert: it&#8217;s really rather specious to say &#8220;just go somewhere else&#8221; &#8211; what if you sell the ONE thing the customer is looking for, and no other store does? What if Target has exactly the brand, or line, or model of an item someone needs, and anywhere else it&#8217;s half again as expensive? Too bad for you, blind customer?</p>
<p>Bad attitude, Mr. Eftimie. Even in spite of your &#8220;pro accessibility&#8221; disclaimer. I hope you DON&#8217;T have a store. Or, if you do, please tell us where it is, so we can be sure NOT to shop there.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei Eftimie</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-26062</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei Eftimie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, this is sort of ridiculous. I am pro accessibility. 

Lets take a real world type of example.
I have a small store, and i only have some steep stairs leading to it. That would result in disabled persons just shopping at the next store that has a ramp. So i&#039;m losing some customers. Why should this be a legal concern?! If i don&#039;t care about my business, that should be my problem. I haven&#039;t forced anyone in a wheelchair to climb those stairs.

This should be applicable to sites. (maybe except government official sites where they would need to allow access to every citizen)

But why a lawsuit? Just go and buy from another site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, this is sort of ridiculous. I am pro accessibility. </p>
<p>Lets take a real world type of example.<br />
I have a small store, and i only have some steep stairs leading to it. That would result in disabled persons just shopping at the next store that has a ramp. So i&#8217;m losing some customers. Why should this be a legal concern?! If i don&#8217;t care about my business, that should be my problem. I haven&#8217;t forced anyone in a wheelchair to climb those stairs.</p>
<p>This should be applicable to sites. (maybe except government official sites where they would need to allow access to every citizen)</p>
<p>But why a lawsuit? Just go and buy from another site!</p>
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		<title>By: BarelyBlogging &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-09</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25822</link>
		<dc:creator>BarelyBlogging &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Accessify: latest news / Is this the test case we’ve all been waiting for? &#8220;Target case now open for class action and every blind person in the U.S. who has tried to access Target.com can become a plaintiff.&#8221; (tags: accessibility) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Accessify: latest news / Is this the test case we’ve all been waiting for? &#8220;Target case now open for class action and every blind person in the U.S. who has tried to access Target.com can become a plaintiff.&#8221; (tags: accessibility) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is the Target Lawsuit Frivolous? - Accessites.org</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25736</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the Target Lawsuit Frivolous? - Accessites.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Accessify.com: Court Approves Target Class-Action? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Tan</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting quote from the judgement via the &lt;a href=&quot;http://sev.prnewswire.com/multimedia-online-internet/20060907/CGTH05107092006-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PR Newswire article&lt;/a&gt; that seems to indicate that the ADA applies in full (as well as Californian state law):

&lt;blockquote&gt;The court held: &quot;the &#039;ordinary meaning&#039; of the ADA&#039;s prohibition against discrimination in the enjoyment of goods, services, facilities or privileges, is that whatever goods or services the place provides, it cannot discriminate on the basis of disability in providing enjoyment of those goods and services.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hopefully, that will be upheld throughout, and can either empower other worldwide advocacy groups to press for access, or motivate companies to comply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting quote from the judgement via the <a href="http://sev.prnewswire.com/multimedia-online-internet/20060907/CGTH05107092006-1.html" rel="nofollow">PR Newswire article</a> that seems to indicate that the ADA applies in full (as well as Californian state law):</p>
<blockquote><p>The court held: &#8220;the &#8216;ordinary meaning&#8217; of the ADA&#8217;s prohibition against discrimination in the enjoyment of goods, services, facilities or privileges, is that whatever goods or services the place provides, it cannot discriminate on the basis of disability in providing enjoyment of those goods and services.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Hopefully, that will be upheld throughout, and can either empower other worldwide advocacy groups to press for access, or motivate companies to comply.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob L.</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25442</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, sorry, rushed it and broke markup :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, sorry, rushed it and broke markup <img src='http://accessify.com/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rob L.</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25441</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it’s a tactic I find particularly odious when they’re consciously acting to keep users with disabilities out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Doubly odious because it&#039;s just not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;i&gt; hard to provide the accessibility... so the cost of conformance really isn&#039;t that high. I heard a NPR story this week about case, and it quoted the NFB (or maybe it was the individual who first filed the suit) as saying that Wal-Mart&#039;s site offers excellent accessibility (even with 30+ validation errors on the homepage -- it appears to be good &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt;). If &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; can do it, there&#039;s no defensible reason whatsoever that Target can offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it’s a tactic I find particularly odious when they’re consciously acting to keep users with disabilities out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Doubly odious because it&#8217;s just not <i>that</i><i> hard to provide the accessibility&#8230; so the cost of conformance really isn&#8217;t that high. I heard a NPR story this week about case, and it quoted the NFB (or maybe it was the individual who first filed the suit) as saying that Wal-Mart&#8217;s site offers excellent accessibility (even with 30+ validation errors on the homepage &#8212; it appears to be good </i><i>enough</i>). If <i>they</i> can do it, there&#8217;s no defensible reason whatsoever that Target can offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://accessify.com/news/2007/10/court-approves-target-class-action/comment-page-1/#comment-25437</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah shucks, copy-paste error, but duly corrected - thanks Jack :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah shucks, copy-paste error, but duly corrected &#8211; thanks Jack <img src='http://accessify.com/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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